"Alfi " (Alfi)
10/25/2013 at 10:00 • Filed to: Easy job
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"Alfi " (Alfi)
10/25/2013 at 10:00 • Filed to: Easy job | 8
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So, first thing you see when you see the state of this R8? Well we thought that they must have been doing a turbo conversion.. Nope.. This is what you need to do, to do the "simple" task of REPLACING THE AIR CONDITIONING COMPRESSOR! WTF?!
Meatcoma
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 10:07 |
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First world problems.. A/C went out on R8.
04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
> Meatcoma
10/25/2013 at 10:16 |
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With probably less that 10,000 miles. #audiproblems
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 10:17 |
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All the sudden, the ferrari 328 and mondial T being able to drop the subframe with the engine on it seems like a good idea.
The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 10:24 |
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Hope they put it back together right, and not end up with extra parts wondering where they go.
THANKS MERKEL!
dinobot666
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/25/2013 at 10:31 |
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All of the sudden?
??
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themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> dinobot666
10/25/2013 at 10:34 |
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English fail...
Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 10:37 |
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well, that sucks.
Niquemarshall
> 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
10/25/2013 at 10:55 |
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THIS GUY ^
ThePigeon
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:11 |
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Replacing an alternator on a Touareg is a billed as a full day job at Firestone. Apparently they have to pull the engine to get at it? Volkswagen design, everybody.
Dalmo Hernandes, from Brazil
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:11 |
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That's it! Not buying that R8 anymore....
The-Ever-Socially-Apathetic TBAL
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:12 |
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Hi, did someone say tricky service?
Anyone want to replace a belt on me? I swear it'll only take a couple minutes...
fredzy
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:12 |
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I'd call it "Bishop."
MiddleAgedAngryGuy
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:12 |
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VW, Audi and Porsche have been some of the least reliable, hardest to work on, most expensive to repair, completely over engineered and most satisfying cars to drive I have ever owned.
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Tom
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:13 |
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Well since you are already changing the AC compressor you might as well ADD turbos!!!!!!
ursa
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:14 |
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One day I dropped off my Corolla with our mechanic for an oil change. Walked into the shop and saw the rear end of a car across the way and mom's XJS on the lift with no tires/hubs/rear transmission bits.
It was in for brake work.
That scene always plays out when I remember I'll inherit that XJS one day.
ZXRider
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:14 |
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This doesn't surprise me. To change the belt on Mk4 Jetta is about 2-4 hours depending on correct tools.
Over-engineered garbage.
This would however be a proper time to mimic this video...
CorvairCorsa
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:15 |
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Is that felt or something protecting the wheels/tires? What are the odds of every local Audi dealer having a mechanic who can work on an R8?
The Sparkytooth Ring Lapper
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:15 |
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That's German engineering for you kids.
ethanheisler
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:15 |
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I'd hate to see them work on the spyder...
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Tom
> ThePigeon
10/25/2013 at 11:15 |
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Clutch on a Viper is flagged as 9 hours....however if you have a 3ft extension for your impact wrench it only takes 2 hours!
JayHova
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:15 |
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Why does this look much more appealing?
Photocredit: Speedhunters.
manicmechanic
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:16 |
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So much for the master race. Audi is the worst.
BigHarv
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:17 |
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Reminds me of my brother's New Beetle, which was banned from the local garage after their battle to replace the battery. At one point there were four mechanics all staring at the battery and scratching their heads, apparently.
m4ximusprim3
> The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123
10/25/2013 at 11:18 |
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It's cool, we got the Bentley Manual off her laptop when we hacked it, so we know exactly where everything goes.
Shilzy
> dinobot666
10/25/2013 at 11:18 |
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I thought it was "all of a sudden" no?
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:18 |
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One thing the bottom 1% of beaters and the top 1% of supercars (in terms of price) have in common; when even the smallest thing breaks, it's cheaper just to buy a new car.
TheBaron2112
> manicmechanic
10/25/2013 at 11:18 |
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I think you mean to say Audi is the "wurst"
XD
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countersteer
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:18 |
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AC compressor? Did it take out the right rear when it failed?
IDriveASaabAndNobodyIsToBlame
> ThePigeon
10/25/2013 at 11:19 |
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I work at a VAG dealerships garage and that is true. To replace turbos, the same deal. As well as in A8 3.3 TDi, S4, etc.
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m4ximusprim3
> Tom
10/25/2013 at 11:19 |
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Right? It's like doing the water pump when you replace the timing belt.
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countersteer
> countersteer
10/25/2013 at 11:20 |
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dammit... Nibbles...
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countersteer
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:20 |
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one more time...
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buckeyewheels
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:21 |
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What's up with this wheel?
vdub_nut: scooter snob
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/25/2013 at 11:22 |
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It's still not any better lol
Renegade
> ThePigeon
10/25/2013 at 11:22 |
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Depends on the engine. The 3.6 with water-cooled generator only pays 1.2 hours.
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buckeyewheels
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:22 |
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What's going on with this wheel? Looks like an accident...
Wild Weasel
> JayHova
10/25/2013 at 11:22 |
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I shall call that the "Lamborghini Tumbler".
shieldsdb
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:23 |
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Since you can afford a R8, shut the fuck up!
rabbitman
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:23 |
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New cars suck to work on. I do not get some of the things that have to be done these days. Like Chrysler putting the Battier in the wheel well so you have to take the tire off to replace it. Car's and Truck that you have to take the front clip off to change a bulb!!! Really WTF who thought any like that was a good Idea. That should always be something a owner should be able to do at home.
dogisbadob
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:23 |
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Ah, German engineering
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jizawiz
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:26 |
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lol, it is an Audi R8, duh. My credibility to this statement is owning a 2002 allroad.
MFEJAL grey because who knows...
> Meatcoma
10/25/2013 at 11:27 |
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Drew
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:27 |
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you get to a certain point and its just simply a design fail. I understand its a uber car, but come on.
Oh well, if you have the cash for the car, I guess you have the cash for the repairs
Hoy! Lip buddy pawnch!
> buckeyewheels
10/25/2013 at 11:28 |
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Probably the underside covers.
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Hoy! Lip buddy pawnch!
> countersteer
10/25/2013 at 11:30 |
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Probably the underside covers.
Cherry_man1
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:30 |
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this is why you drive windows down ALL THE TIME....well in good weather anyway.
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M54B30
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:30 |
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My car is a complex piece of German engineering brilliance.... And I have the receipts to prove it....
gorgonzola-sweatpants
> TheBaron2112
10/25/2013 at 11:31 |
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I never sausage an awful pun.
112358132134
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:31 |
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i think id just drive faster and roll down the windows
Chaz Adams
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:32 |
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The answer clearly is to only ever buy the Spyder then
Anima
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:33 |
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It's German engineering logic, it's not supposed to break in the first place so why make it easy to access.
AndrewH
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:33 |
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It's mid engined, it doesn't seem that the engine can be dropped out of the chassis like other mid/rear engined cars, say Porsche, thus I think this kind of level of dismantling is to be expected even for changing some cam belts, tensioners, filters or any other consumable that might need replacing on that engine. Also engine accessories are basically the same on most cars and as some of them fail on regular cars quite often, why not on this.
Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom
> The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123
10/25/2013 at 11:34 |
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I can tell you from years of working on K-car based Chryslers way back when, if you have parts left over it just means the engineers designed the vehicle to work without them.
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ThereAreManyLikeItButThisBurnerIsMine
> ThePigeon
10/25/2013 at 11:34 |
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Just shows you how advanced the car is...who else has an alternator as a stressed member?!
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Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom
> manicmechanic
10/25/2013 at 11:35 |
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"Master race"? Wouldn't that be Indy?
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dumpus
> rabbitman
10/25/2013 at 11:38 |
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AndrewH
> countersteer
10/25/2013 at 11:38 |
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Those are the plastic inner wheel arches that protect from dirt spun-up by the tires.
colorfulyawn
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:40 |
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Well, since they've already got all that shit taken apart, they might as well do the turbo conversion too.
2 Wheels awesome!
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:41 |
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Good time to mention how easy it is to work on old American cars... take a first generation corvair for example. You can pull the entire engine, transmission, and rear suspension out from under the back of the car in a rolling sub-assembly with nothing more than a socket set and some jack stands.
The Ghost of Oppo
> rabbitman
10/25/2013 at 11:46 |
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What about the old Jags that you had to remove the rear axle just to change the brake pads?
Brian, The Life of
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:51 |
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And to think I was bitching about paying $450 for a tune-up on my wife's Town & Country because they had to partially pull the motor to replace a couple of the spark plugs.
Perspective! I now haz it.
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OzzyOnIce
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 11:59 |
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I wrench on Audis and VWs for friends and family, and I can see this happening. The layout is not "simple job" friendly on any audi i've seen lately.
i'm pretty sure you have to pull the rear wheels to replace the spark plugs on an A4 :)
Bacon
> rabbitman
10/25/2013 at 12:03 |
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Then go get an engineering degree and join us, maybe you can do it better. Unfortunately, maintenance usually takes a back seat to design and packaging. OVERALL, the maintenance cost is kept as low as possible, but you will get some instances of high PITA factor repairs. I remember a Pontiac Transport my mom had. It was a crap ton easier to replace the water pump than it was to do the spark plugs. Go figure.
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johnnydot
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:08 |
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Similar replacment proceedure for the alternator in a Mini Cooper. Control arm bushings require dropping the subframe to get the bolts out. I took one look at that job and told dear brother to take it elsewhere. I did the alternator. Most of the work is just taking out little plastic clips and not breaking them.
Party-vi
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:10 |
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Now, imagine how much it would cost for a Gallardo, and now you see why people buy R8s in the first place.
forgeryfade
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:15 |
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Nothing wrong with the wheel guys just an inner wheel well liner placed around it when they removed it.
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rabbitman
> Bacon
10/25/2013 at 12:19 |
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oh god, I totally get what your saying especially the rear bank. I miss the good ol days of being able to crawl into the engine compartment and being able to work on the car actually, or just take nap on the inner fender while your at because you could.
I get that you engineer's do try your best. But sometimes it is just like you guys are messing with us.
Here a another good example. Putting the motor mount in the middle of the Serpentine system on a transverse mounted engine. So to change your belt you have to support the engine and take off the mount just to change it, or be sneaky and undo the side that connects to the car and jack it up just enough to slide it out.
Just for that, your shares for your Autocad are not going to be available today :P
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crashonice
> dumpus
10/25/2013 at 12:22 |
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I see what you did there. . .
900turbo
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:23 |
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If you buy the part at Autozone if it ever fails just remove the part,
No, wait...
dekone
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:24 |
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87-93 Mustang heater core replacement...
Built BMW Tough
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:26 |
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It's not entirely a German thing; VAG products are not designed to be disassembled. Considering their reliability and depreciation, you would think they were disposable.
Mein Gott! Ze latest people's car is ready! Exterminate ze older models!
mtdrift
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:26 |
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Hey, no A/C, no problems.
Fuel_of_Satan
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:27 |
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Replacing accessory units on a lot of VAG's will require a similar teardown of the front end, I'm not surprised that rear engined VAG's match that.
Still, I would've thought dropping the engine down was the common way to handle just about any repair in a supercar rather than this.
Isignedinwiththegoogle
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:31 |
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This is how you fix the AC in an 80's Porsche...
123fasd
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:34 |
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http://jalopnik.com/5282571/audi-r…
Carwood
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:40 |
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When its all said and done, what rights as a consumer do we have to complain about how extensive post-warranty work can be..we cant blame the dealer cause they didnt build the car. Its like getting mad that the new macbooks are put together like steel traps..ends up making more sense to buy a new one than repair the broken one. I hope manufacturers wise up because as much as they think these cars will leave a legacy I bet ya a dollar the customers wise up and avoid them in the secondary market 20 years out.
Mr2LotusWannabe
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:41 |
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Quote from Porsche on how to removed the head liner for a Panamera:
Step One: "Remove right rear door"
Wait, wha?
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CaptainStu
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:46 |
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I take it this is not the LeMans Edition.
Poundingsand
> TheBaron2112
10/25/2013 at 12:52 |
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Don't be a weenie.
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utes
> manicmechanic
10/25/2013 at 12:53 |
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Well the Audi is just being a "brat"
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Poundingsand
> Built BMW Tough
10/25/2013 at 12:53 |
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Yeah, trust me; I'd never try to disassemble my girl's vag. She'd kick my ass.
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J "oppo" Zeke
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 12:59 |
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And I thought pulling the bumper and battery to change a headlight BULB on a GTI MKIV was dumb.
Because VAG.
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Fuck Jim Spanfeller
> Bacon
10/25/2013 at 13:00 |
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I always just assumed engineers had really small hands, and that's why everything is so tightly packaged. Or that they just really don't like mechanics.
ejp
> Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs
10/25/2013 at 13:03 |
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It only sucks because it doesn't blow ;)
three_pedals
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 13:12 |
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Hope this guy got the extended warranty...
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dinobot666
> Shilzy
10/25/2013 at 13:27 |
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You are correct.
n1zm0
> Anima
10/25/2013 at 13:38 |
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This is why I'm afraid to go German, I've worked on cars for almost 10 years (mostly with Honda products - mostly at Acura) mostly all Japanese, the few occasions I had to deal with German stuff it didn't matter if it was how they do the wheel fasteners as bolts rather than nuts or when doing what I thought would be a simple passenger door switch/lock replacement on a Jetta or A4, I always sit there and ask myself 'WHY, WHY DID YOU DESIGN IT LIKE THIS, AS IF YOU THOUGHT IT NEVER WOULD NEED REPLACEMENT?!'
BUT the same goes for a few domestic market aircraft when I worked in aviation, particularily in a specific jet aircraft, whose company is more familiar with making single engine piston pounders traditionally...
FriscoFairlane
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 13:39 |
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To do anything on any new Audi, you have to take the whole damn car apart to do it. I went into a friend's Audi/VW shop, and all the cars were so torn down, it looked like he was running a chop shop. Here is a picture of what it takes to service the water pump on an A4:
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FriscoFairlane
> mtdrift
10/25/2013 at 13:41 |
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What? Beetles have AC! It's the knob on the right.
Rickster3rd ¯\_()_/¯
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 13:43 |
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"F" the compressor, roll down the windows.
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Bacon
> rabbitman
10/25/2013 at 13:47 |
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Yea, engineers can be pretty good trolls, I suppose. Keep this in mind: That belt would have to be 6 inches longer, which would cost $0.10 more. Put that over a million vehicles, and that's a pretty big cost.
Anyway, good thing I use Catia! LOL
SP23
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 13:48 |
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I'd rather be hot...
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Bacon
> Fuck Jim Spanfeller
10/25/2013 at 13:49 |
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There is always a reason! http://www.explosm.net/comics/3318/
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n1zm0
> n1zm0
10/25/2013 at 13:55 |
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That being said I'm tracking the CLA250 and the A3 Sedan, either one might be my first German -Hungarian-made- vehicle.
LWMartin
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 13:56 |
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Reminds me of working on my Saab... had to completely drop the front axle to replace the alternator.
Buccaneer9
> The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123
10/25/2013 at 14:05 |
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And it will go faster, because it weighs less!
dr861
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 14:29 |
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That transmission looks familiar....
Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 14:30 |
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If he has the money to buy a $100,000+ car, you'd best believe he has the money to fix it. Or maybe he's like that guy who sold his house and business to buy a Gallardo and now has a lump with a broken timing chain, sitting in his garage.
WySS
> buckeyewheels
10/25/2013 at 14:30 |
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Looks fine to me, looks like they just placed the wheel well next to it.
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rvasquez6089
> Alfi
10/25/2013 at 14:31 |
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Being mid-engined is no excuse here, People claim the NSX is just as easy to work on as any other honda, and hondas are fucking easy to repair.